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stang
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Location: East Kurrajong, New South Wales
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 Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: st albans to wisemans to st albans |
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| TRUMPYJEFF wrote: | Yeah, the webbs creek ferry route from wisemans ferry to st albans is sealed.
The settlers rd route (from the wisemans ferry & left hand turn) is still unsealed for about 10km, but well graded.
Harley/poser proof. Hopefully they never fully tar it (optomistic), personally never had an issue with the dirt & find its good to ride varying road surfaces.
As Im buying a house on this road, just before the dirt- really not keen on tar all the way to st albans. I think the dirt reduces the amount of people to st albans & thus keeps it intact & a nice place to visit.
We did have to navigate through about 15 cows recently, they are used to it & knew what to do & didnt challenge the ferocious, happyface kombi.  |
Reason I ask is that I am twitchy about doing a ride that includes gravel bits.
JD and myself have done the gravel bit a few times and Davo - but that is us - for an organised ride I try to cater for the inexperienced as well....
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Loubird
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Cmon Stan...how else are the inexperienced gonna get some ?....experience that is !. Throw 'em to the wolves I say. !!
Best way to learn I reckon. 
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stang
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Location: East Kurrajong, New South Wales
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Loubird wrote: | Cmon Stan...how else are the inexperienced gonna get some ?....experience that is !. Throw 'em to the wolves I say. !!
Best way to learn I reckon. |
I agree however....
It is a fact that we are becoming a more litigatios society.
In spite of the fact that we announce "I am going on a ride - follow me if you wish" to try to avoid the legalistics, the mere fact that a ride is advertised here implies it is an organised ride - with an organiser!
I have little desire for the Slater & Gordons of the world to take all my goods and possession because someone has been hurt.
So from a risk minimization perspective - I try to avoid unsealed roads on rides I lead.
Bit gloomy Lou - but I am getting info that indicates that sooner rather than later - some poor bastard who has someone get hurt on a ride appears before the beak because some ambulance chaser has seen a quick buck in it for them.
There is a way around it - and the MCC is doing something - that would give considerable public liability insurance effectively for nothing - I have spoken to Music and in my copious free time will post the details/implications etc.
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TRUMPYJEFF
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Joined: 17 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Ive had "Harley" mates who wont ride the dirt/gravel on settlers rd.
I suppose if I paid $35k+ for a motorcycle Id have to think about it also. But id never see myself paying that much for a bike, could have 3 or 4 gems in the shed for that kinda money.
The learners/inexperienced can ride to suit the conditions & capabilities-as does an experienced soul.
There are a coupla "water crossings" after rain, but nothing more than 10cm.
A little better after rain, not as dusty.......
Wouldnt sit behind someone with a "customised" rear guard either- could be blood 
The tar from webbs creek ferry to St albans is probably a better bet for a social big number ride, keeps pretty bikes/people pretty too. |
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cheekygreeky
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Location: Blacktown
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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if where going up the dirt track, i ll get a chock chaser scrambler ............my t-bird and rocket not going on any dirt roads.....
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Grumpy
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| A bit of dirt and lots of chopped up sealed roads make a ride IMHO. Ya gotta keep focused and ride like a man not just ride Harley style ie, looking at yourself in the inward adjusted mirrors. |
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admin
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Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 1226
Location: TO INFINITY AND BEYOND ! Sydney<>>>>>>>AKA MUSIC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I have spoken to Music and in my copious free time will post the details/implications etc.
Stan |
In initial discussion with Stan. I did see some benefit in liability side.
But not at the cost of making rides such, that we dont do if happen to meet some gravel or less than perfect conditions. I like to ride on roads that may encounter roadworks, not just a track like eastern creek.
My problem with the MC and all this legislation to make rides safe shit. Is that basically I dont get represented anyway.
CTP protest. I attended, and actually attended 2nd by accident! Why was I not made aware of next one? I signed everything available at 1st meeting? And not really heard anything of importance really since.
Trial stop boxes. MC gonna do, but then no feedback or replies on anything raised?
And that is what needs to be concentrated on Stan. When ideas are started and suggestions & input is given, that information is continued to be provided. Not just move on to next thing. Without nothing being finalised.
It all seems like just politics to me without any real representation or interest in the views of the large community of riders.
I will always throw my support at a valid cause, but there never seems to be any finality, or if there is I dont hear about it?.
Even Tex and Bundy exemption was Jenns own work with supporters who rode. Not council members, and then what happens re there mid week ride? No contacts overturned it
I do sound cynical I know, but untill i see a project started, feedback and actions passed on and replied to, with information continued till fruition. (My idea of representation). Then no posting with the details/implications etc., will ever be more to me than just more jargon.
And when i see that sort of representation, then I will feel i have support and a proper voice.
I ride at least 5 days a week and weekend rides to me should be same as what i will encounter if I drove a car, why should I be forced to do a safe ride?
Maybe shoould look at some disclaimer on rides? And maybe this should be a separate topic in Announcemnets section etc as does not really fit as a report
| Quote: | | For this one lets shorten the pub time - so that more of us instead of that model of sobriety (Churchy) actually complete all the five ferries |
Yep still only me completed all 5 
But in my defence, I do keep my drinking till after the ride, and still seriously considering given it up after tomorrow
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | As Im buying a house on this road, just before the dirt- really not keen on tar all the way to st albans. I think the dirt reduces the amount of people to st albans & thus keeps it intact & a nice place to visit. |
Hey missed this. Congrats mate. So gonna be losing my neighbour soon! And totally agree re road BTW. There is some great little water holes round there. Must keep in touch AND... Dont forget I still have your T/bird workshop manual
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cheekygreeky
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Location: Blacktown
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | Quote: | | As Im buying a house on this road, just before the dirt- really not keen on tar all the way to st albans. I think the dirt reduces the amount of people to st albans & thus keeps it intact & a nice place to visit. |
Hey missed this. Congrats mate. So gonna be losing my neighbour soon! And totally agree re road BTW. There is some great little water holes round there. Must keep in touch AND... Dont forget I still have your T/bird workshop manual |
Yes congrats on that, i think there is a BBQ on the Books ( Home Warming )
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stang
500cc
Joined: 01 Aug 2010
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Location: East Kurrajong, New South Wales
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | Quote: | I have spoken to Music and in my copious free time will post the details/implications etc.
Stan |
In initial discussion with Stan. I did see some benefit in liability side.
But not at the cost of making rides such, that we dont do if happen to meet some gravel or less than perfect conditions. I like to ride on roads that may encounter roadworks, not just a track like eastern creek.
My problem with the MC and all this legislation to make rides safe shit. Is that basically I dont get represented anyway.
CTP protest. I attended, and actually attended 2nd by accident! Why was I not made aware of next one? I signed everything available at 1st meeting? And not really heard anything of importance really since.
Trial stop boxes. MC gonna do, but then no feedback or replies on anything raised?
And that is what needs to be concentrated on Stan. When ideas are started and suggestions & input is given, that information is continued to be provided. Not just move on to next thing. Without nothing being finalised.
It all seems like just politics to me without any real representation or interest in the views of the large community of riders.
I will always throw my support at a valid cause, but there never seems to be any finality, or if there is I dont hear about it?.
Even Tex and Bundy exemption was Jenns own work with supporters who rode. Not council members, and then what happens re there mid week ride? No contacts overturned it
I do sound cynical I know, but untill i see a project started, feedback and actions passed on and replied to, with information continued till fruition. (My idea of representation). Then no posting with the details/implications etc., will ever be more to me than just more jargon.
And when i see that sort of representation, then I will feel i have support and a proper voice.
I ride at least 5 days a week and weekend rides to me should be same as what i will encounter if I drove a car, why should I be forced to do a safe ride?
Maybe shoould look at some disclaimer on rides? And maybe this should be a separate topic in Announcemnets section etc as does not really fit as a report
| Quote: | | For this one lets shorten the pub time - so that more of us instead of that model of sobriety (Churchy) actually complete all the five ferries |
Yep still only me completed all 5
But in my defence, I do keep my drinking till after the ride, and still seriously considering given it up after tomorrow |
At no stage have I said that any offered public liability will exclude riding on unsealed roads.
I have said that in the current climate, where we have no public liability, I personally will perform risk mitigation by not taking a ride through an area where there is unsealed roads!
In regard to the MCC the issues that are being worked on (as per their newsletter which is available at: http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/326.html) they are;
1 – A fair CTP system for all riders.
2 – A fair recreational registration system for trail bikes.
3 – A 5 year business plan, including sourcing funding.
4 – Creating a single state representative body in
conjunction with Motorcycling NSW.
5 – Amending helmet approval laws to permit riders to
wear safe helmets sourced from overseas markets.
The advanced stop boxes at traffic lights is a RTA/Government request.
I (and Davo) are a representative to the MCC on behalf of the other since closed down forum - technically I suppose we are not reps any more.
This forum can request representation to the MCC if it/the membership wishes.
Any member of the public is welcome to come to a MCC Meeting - 1st Monday of the month at Ryde Ex-services bowling club at 19:30. (The AGM is on Monday and I intend going).
FInally - there is no instant gratification - in particular when dealing with Government or Government agencies - but I am fairly reliably informed that a resolution to the CTP issue may be communicated next Tuesday - and with what I know (in confidence) people will be quite happy.
Really finally, I am not going to go into details (I will let Jenn if she wishes), but I have been working with Jenn and the minister of Transport's office (Duncan Gay) in relation to the ride today (Thursday). The issue was not Sydney City Council in relation to the parking (It wasn't the State Government or the RTA either).
Stan
P.s This is a partial list of what the MCC has achieved for riders.
Free & improved parking for motorcycles in the SydneyCBD
Ran Motorcycle Awareness Week
Reversed legislation on exhaust labelling
Put a hold on the introduction of front number plates.
Increased advertising from the RTA for motorcycle awareness.
Obtained seats on the joint Motor Accidents Authority / MCC committee to improve motorcycle safety
Obtained representation on the Helmet's Australian Standards Committee
Obtained representation, through the Australian Motorcycle Council, on the Road Barriers Australian Standards Committee
Reviewed LTCS & CTP Green Slips for motorcycles and now are working hard to reduce them to more reasonable levels.
Obtained funding from and worked with various councils to produce motorcycle advisory brochures for roads in their areas.
Helped drive national issues by being part of the Australian Motorcycle Committee (AMC)
Conducted helmet studies with the UNSW
Instrumental in the reintroduction of a mentoring program for motorcyclists. |
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Churchy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Hope I dont stuff this up lol. I am gonna try to split this and have as a MCC thread. As really not relevant to this ride report, and am interested in others views. As to me i still feel that unless they broadcast there intentions to the likes of me, then how do they represent me?
And I have spoke to enough people to know that I am not only one who feels this way.
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stang
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Churchy wrote: | Hope I dont stuff this up lol. I am gonna try to split this and have as a MCC thread. As really not relevant to this ride report, and am interested in others views. As to me i still feel that unless they broadcast there intentions to the likes of me, then how do they represent me?
And I have spoke to enough people to know that I am not only one who feels this way.
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Thanks David - this really does belong here rather than contaminating the other thread.
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cheekygreeky
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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i think it needs to be moved to the BITCHING section.....
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bong60
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Location: Mount Colah
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: |
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[quote="stang"] | admin wrote: | | Quote: | I have spoken to Music and in my copious free time will post the details/implications etc.
Stan |
P.s This is a partial list of what the MCC has achieved for riders.
Free & improved parking for motorcycles in the SydneyCBD
Ran Motorcycle Awareness Week
Reversed legislation on exhaust labelling
Put a hold on the introduction of front number plates.
Increased advertising from the RTA for motorcycle awareness.
Obtained seats on the joint Motor Accidents Authority / MCC committee to improve motorcycle safety
Obtained representation on the Helmet's Australian Standards Committee
Obtained representation, through the Australian Motorcycle Council, on the Road Barriers Australian Standards Committee
Reviewed LTCS & CTP Green Slips for motorcycles and now are working hard to reduce them to more reasonable levels.
Obtained funding from and worked with various councils to produce motorcycle advisory brochures for roads in their areas.
Helped drive national issues by being part of the Australian Motorcycle Committee (AMC)
Conducted helmet studies with the UNSW
Instrumental in the reintroduction of a mentoring program for motorcyclists. |
Stan how do we get to read the complete story behind your Highlights listed here?
Reversed legislation on exhaust labelling.
Was interested in reading more on this ?
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